[SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi?
Kevin Byrne
sfs@thegeek.nu
Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:32:27 -0600
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I would personally not every build a grossely underpowered NAS. The PI just
cant push the bit over the network let alone run anything outside a RAID
0/1 config. You need tons of ram and at least an AMD Fusion Style or Intel
Celeron Processor. I run some NAS/SAN hybrid openfiler 2.99.02 systems on
some HP MicroServers (N40L) with some intel e1000e cards tossed in there. I
still have a hard time saturating a Gig line (Raid 6 with 8 gigs of ram in
the boxes. Using 6x WD Red 3TB drives). I have seen people run NAS even
single drive SSD on a PI and they can't even crack 15/20 MB/sec (not even
able to saturate USB 2.0).
Personally if you want something cool to play with and are hankering for a
fun project Get an IBM or HP basic workstation/server. Newegg has the i3
series ones on sale for under 300 all the time. Then try to build a cloud
with VDI on it. Include a website, webdav file space, email server, and
desktop delivery system. Use those pi's as endpoints and do it with only
open software... NOW that would be fun (ok and geeky). Just my 2 cents ;)
On Tuesday, October 15, 2013, wrote:
> Three more to what I already suggested. I don't know what level of
> interest and expertise these kids have.
>
> NAS
> Network backup
> Amahi home server, assuming it has been ported over. The drawback is that
> it uses Fedora. It would be nice if it was packages that could be
> installed on any distro. Maybe creating an equivalent would be a good
> project.
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Gary A. Romero" <garomero@thegeek.nu <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'garomero@thegeek.nu');>>
> *To: *sfs@thegeek.nu <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'sfs@thegeek.nu');>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:22:06 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi?
>
> 1. Build a Website. Include some sort of change control and remote
> management.
> 2. Build a game server and configure clients to connect
> 3. Scratch Programming lessons
> 4. Build an IRC server
> 5. ???
>
> ----------------------------
> Gary (Garheade) Romero
>
> "Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; and
> when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Dick Brandon
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson@TheGeek.NU>
> To: sfs@thegeek.nu <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'sfs@thegeek.nu');>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:03:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi?
>
>
> Can you think of something fun to do with 3 older laptops, 3 RPi's, 3
> BeagleBone Blacks, a small bag of teenagers, and a network?
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: dennisjperkins@comcast.net <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'dennisjperkins@comcast.net');>
> Date: 10/15/2013 7:23 AM (GMT-07:00)
> To: sfs@thegeek.nu <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'sfs@thegeek.nu');>
> Subject: Re: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi?
>
>
>
>
> Beaglebone Black might be an alternative for you. The graphics resolution
> isn't as high, in case that is important to you. There is internal flash
> memory too, but it might not be as convenient to boot from the microSD chip
> as it is on the Pi.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Gary A. Romero" <garomero@thegeek.nu <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'garomero@thegeek.nu');>>
> To: sfs@thegeek.nu <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'sfs@thegeek.nu');>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:17:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi?
>
>
> Expensive.
>
>
> Seriously though, a Prototyping Lab?
>
>
> ----------------------------
> Gary (Garheade) Romero
>
>
> "Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; and
> when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Dick Brandon
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson@TheGeek.NU>
> To: "sfs" <sfs@thegeek.nu <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'sfs@thegeek.nu');>>
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:59:22 PM
> Subject: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi?
>
>
>
> Thanks to Aaron for reminding me why I'm so darn conflicted about the
> Raspberry Pi, and why I keep thinking there's probably a better
> single-board computer for our Pi Lab.
>
>
>
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/arduino-creator-explains-why-open-source-matters-in-hardware-too/
>
>
> --
> David L. Willson
> Teacher, Engineer, Evangelist
> RHCE+Satellite CCAH Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 UbuntuCP NovellCLA
> Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267)
>
>
> This is a good time for a r3VOLution.
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I would personally not every build a grossely underpowered NAS. The PI just=
cant push the bit over the network let alone run anything outside a RAID 0=
/1 config. You need tons of ram and at least an AMD Fusion Style or Intel C=
eleron Processor. I run some NAS/SAN hybrid openfiler 2.99.02 systems on so=
me HP MicroServers (N40L) with some intel e1000e cards tossed in there. I s=
till have a hard time saturating a Gig line (Raid 6 with 8 gigs of ram in t=
he boxes. Using 6x=A0WD Red 3TB drives). I have seen people run NAS even si=
ngle drive SSD on a PI and they can't even crack 15/20 MB/sec (not even=
able to saturate USB 2.0).<div>
<br></div><div>Personally if you want something cool to play with and are h=
ankering for a fun project Get an IBM or HP basic workstation/server. Neweg=
g has the i3 series ones on sale for under 300 all the time. Then try to bu=
ild a cloud with VDI on it. Include a website, webdav file space, email ser=
ver, and desktop delivery system. Use those pi's as endpoints and do it=
with only open software... NOW that would be fun (ok and geeky). Just my 2=
cents ;)<br>
<br>On Tuesday, October 15, 2013, wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><div>Three more to w=
hat I already suggested.=A0 I don't know what level of interest and exp=
ertise these kids have.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>NAS<br></div><div>Network backup<br></div><div>Am=
ahi home server, assuming it has been ported over.=A0 The drawback is that =
it uses Fedora.=A0 It would be nice if it was packages that could be instal=
led on any distro.=A0 Maybe creating an equivalent would be a good project.=
<br>
</div><hr><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-style:normal;font-family:Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"><b>From: </b>=
"Gary A. Romero" <<a href=3D"javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',=
'garomero@thegeek.nu');" target=3D"_blank">garomero@thegeek.nu</a>=
><br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'sfs@thegeek.nu=
');" target=3D"_blank">sfs@thegeek.nu</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, Octo=
ber 15, 2013 8:22:06 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [SFS] What do you call a Pi =
Lab without Pi?<br>
<div><br></div>1. Build a Website. Include some sort of change control and =
remote management.<br>2. Build a game server and configure clients to conne=
ct<br>3. Scratch Programming lessons<br>4. Build an IRC server<br>5. ???<br=
>
<div><br></div>----------------------------<br>Gary (Garheade) Romero<br><d=
iv><br></div>"Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, =
very good; and when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Dick Brando=
n<br>
<div><br></div><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "David L. Wil=
lson" <DLWillson@TheGeek.NU><br>To: <a href=3D"javascript:_e({},=
'cvml', 'sfs@thegeek.nu');" target=3D"_blank">sfs@thegeek.=
nu</a><br>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:03:38 AM<br>Subject: Re: [SFS] What do yo=
u call a Pi Lab without Pi?<br><div><br></div><br>Can you think of somethin=
g fun to do with 3 older laptops, 3 RPi's, 3 BeagleBone Blacks, a small=
bag of teenagers, and a network? <br>
<div><br></div><br><div><br></div><br><div><br></div>Sent from my Verizon W=
ireless 4G LTE Smartphone <br><div><br></div><br>-------- Original message =
-------- <br>From: <a href=3D"javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'dennis=
jperkins@comcast.net');" target=3D"_blank">dennisjperkins@comcast.net</=
a> <br>
Date: 10/15/2013 7:23 AM (GMT-07:00) <br>To: <a href=3D"javascript:_e({}, &=
#39;cvml', 'sfs@thegeek.nu');" target=3D"_blank">sfs@thegeek.nu=
</a> <br>Subject: Re: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi? <br><div>
<br></div><br><div><br></div><br>Beaglebone Black might be an alternative f=
or you. The graphics resolution isn't as high, in case that is importan=
t to you. There is internal flash memory too, but it might not be as conven=
ient to boot from the microSD chip as it is on the Pi. <br>
<div><br></div><br>----- Original Message -----<br><div><br></div>From: &qu=
ot;Gary A. Romero" <<a href=3D"javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', &#=
39;garomero@thegeek.nu');" target=3D"_blank">garomero@thegeek.nu</a>>=
; <br>
To: <a href=3D"javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'sfs@thegeek.nu');=
" target=3D"_blank">sfs@thegeek.nu</a> <br>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 =
7:17:32 AM <br>Subject: Re: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi? <br=
>
<div><br></div><br>Expensive. <br><div><br></div><br>Seriously though, a Pr=
ototyping Lab? <br><div><br></div><br>---------------------------- <br>Gary=
(Garheade) Romero <br><div><br></div><br>"Documentation is like sex: =
when it is good, it is very, very good; and when it is bad, it is better th=
an nothing." Dick Brandon <br>
<div><br></div><br><div><br></div>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: &q=
uot;David L. Willson" <DLWillson@TheGeek.NU> <br>To: "sfs&q=
uot; <<a href=3D"javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'sfs@thegeek.nu&#=
39;);" target=3D"_blank">sfs@thegeek.nu</a>> <br>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:59:22 PM <br>Subject: [SFS] What do you ca=
ll a Pi Lab without Pi? <br><div><br></div><br><div><br></div>Thanks to Aar=
on for reminding me why I'm so darn conflicted about the Raspberry Pi, =
and why I keep thinking there's probably a better single-board computer=
for our Pi Lab. <br>
<div><br></div><br><a href=3D"http://arstechnica.com/information-technology=
/2013/10/arduino-creator-explains-why-open-source-matters-in-hardware-too/"=
target=3D"_blank">http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/ar=
duino-creator-explains-why-open-source-matters-in-hardware-too/</a> <br>
<div><br></div><br>-- <br>David L. Willson <br>Teacher, Engineer, Evangelis=
t <br>RHCE+Satellite CCAH Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 UbuntuCP NovellCLA <br>=
Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267) <br><div><br></div><br>This is a good time for a =
r3VOLution. <br>
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