[SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi?
Kevin Byrne
sfs@thegeek.nu
Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:56:23 -0600
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Ignore this email, I missed the scope of everything. Sorry.
On Tuesday, October 15, 2013, Kevin Byrne wrote:
> I would personally not every build a grossely underpowered NAS. The PI
> just cant push the bit over the network let alone run anything outside a
> RAID 0/1 config. You need tons of ram and at least an AMD Fusion Style or
> Intel Celeron Processor. I run some NAS/SAN hybrid openfiler 2.99.02
> systems on some HP MicroServers (N40L) with some intel e1000e cards tossed
> in there. I still have a hard time saturating a Gig line (Raid 6 with 8
> gigs of ram in the boxes. Using 6x WD Red 3TB drives). I have seen people
> run NAS even single drive SSD on a PI and they can't even crack 15/20
> MB/sec (not even able to saturate USB 2.0).
>
> Personally if you want something cool to play with and are hankering for a
> fun project Get an IBM or HP basic workstation/server. Newegg has the i3
> series ones on sale for under 300 all the time. Then try to build a cloud
> with VDI on it. Include a website, webdav file space, email server, and
> desktop delivery system. Use those pi's as endpoints and do it with only
> open software... NOW that would be fun (ok and geeky). Just my 2 cents ;)
>
> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013, wrote:
>
>> Three more to what I already suggested. I don't know what level of
>> interest and expertise these kids have.
>>
>> NAS
>> Network backup
>> Amahi home server, assuming it has been ported over. The drawback is
>> that it uses Fedora. It would be nice if it was packages that could be
>> installed on any distro. Maybe creating an equivalent would be a good
>> project.
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Gary A. Romero" <garomero@thegeek.nu>
>> *To: *sfs@thegeek.nu
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:22:06 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi?
>>
>> 1. Build a Website. Include some sort of change control and remote
>> management.
>> 2. Build a game server and configure clients to connect
>> 3. Scratch Programming lessons
>> 4. Build an IRC server
>> 5. ???
>>
>> ----------------------------
>> Gary (Garheade) Romero
>>
>> "Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; and
>> when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Dick Brandon
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson@TheGeek.NU>
>> To: sfs@thegeek.nu
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:03:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi?
>>
>>
>> Can you think of something fun to do with 3 older laptops, 3 RPi's, 3
>> BeagleBone Blacks, a small bag of teenagers, and a network?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: dennisjperkins@comcast.net
>> Date: 10/15/2013 7:23 AM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: sfs@thegeek.nu
>> Subject: Re: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Beaglebone Black might be an alternative for you. The graphics resolution
>> isn't as high, in case that is important to you. There is internal flash
>> memory too, but it might not be as convenient to boot from the microSD chip
>> as it is on the Pi.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Gary A. Romero" <garomero@thegeek.nu>
>> To: sfs@thegeek.nu
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:17:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi?
>>
>>
>> Expensive.
>>
>>
>> Seriously though, a Prototyping Lab?
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------
>> Gary (Garheade) Romero
>>
>>
>> "Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; and
>> when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Dick Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson@TheGeek.NU>
>> To: "sfs" <sfs@thegeek.nu>
>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:59:22 PM
>> Subject: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to Aaron for reminding me why I'm so darn conflicted about the
>> Raspberry Pi, and why I keep thinking there's probably a better
>> single-board computer for our Pi Lab.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/arduino-creator-explains-why-open-source-matters-in-hardware-too/
>>
>>
>> --
>> David L. Willson
>> Teacher, Engineer, Evangelist
>> RHCE+Satellite CCAH Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 UbuntuCP NovellCLA
>> Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267)
>>
>>
>> This is a good time for a r3VOLution.
>>
>>
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Ignore this email, I missed the scope of everything. Sorry.<br><br>On Tuesd=
ay, October 15, 2013, Kevin Byrne wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>
I would personally not every build a grossely underpowered NAS. The PI just=
cant push the bit over the network let alone run anything outside a RAID 0=
/1 config. You need tons of ram and at least an AMD Fusion Style or Intel C=
eleron Processor. I run some NAS/SAN hybrid openfiler 2.99.02 systems on so=
me HP MicroServers (N40L) with some intel e1000e cards tossed in there. I s=
till have a hard time saturating a Gig line (Raid 6 with 8 gigs of ram in t=
he boxes. Using 6x=A0WD Red 3TB drives). I have seen people run NAS even si=
ngle drive SSD on a PI and they can't even crack 15/20 MB/sec (not even=
able to saturate USB 2.0).<div>
<br></div><div>Personally if you want something cool to play with and are h=
ankering for a fun project Get an IBM or HP basic workstation/server. Neweg=
g has the i3 series ones on sale for under 300 all the time. Then try to bu=
ild a cloud with VDI on it. Include a website, webdav file space, email ser=
ver, and desktop delivery system. Use those pi's as endpoints and do it=
with only open software... NOW that would be fun (ok and geeky). Just my 2=
cents ;)<br>
<br>On Tuesday, October 15, 2013, wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><div>Three more to w=
hat I already suggested.=A0 I don't know what level of interest and exp=
ertise these kids have.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>NAS<br></div><div>Network backup<br></div><div>Am=
ahi home server, assuming it has been ported over.=A0 The drawback is that =
it uses Fedora.=A0 It would be nice if it was packages that could be instal=
led on any distro.=A0 Maybe creating an equivalent would be a good project.=
<br>
</div><hr><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-style:normal;font-family:Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"><b>From: </b>=
"Gary A. Romero" <<a>garomero@thegeek.nu</a>><br>
<b>To: </b><a>sfs@thegeek.nu</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, October 15, 2013 =
8:22:06 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without P=
i?<br>
<div><br></div>1. Build a Website. Include some sort of change control and =
remote management.<br>2. Build a game server and configure clients to conne=
ct<br>3. Scratch Programming lessons<br>4. Build an IRC server<br>5. ???<br=
>
<div><br></div>----------------------------<br>Gary (Garheade) Romero<br><d=
iv><br></div>"Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, =
very good; and when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Dick Brando=
n<br>
<div><br></div><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "David L. Wil=
lson" <DLWillson@TheGeek.NU><br>To: <a>sfs@thegeek.nu</a><br>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:03:38 AM<br>Subject: Re: [SFS] What do yo=
u call a Pi Lab without Pi?<br><div><br></div><br>Can you think of somethin=
g fun to do with 3 older laptops, 3 RPi's, 3 BeagleBone Blacks, a small=
bag of teenagers, and a network? <br>
<div><br></div><br><div><br></div><br><div><br></div>Sent from my Verizon W=
ireless 4G LTE Smartphone <br><div><br></div><br>-------- Original message =
-------- <br>From: <a>dennisjperkins@comcast.net</a> <br>
Date: 10/15/2013 7:23 AM (GMT-07:00) <br>To: <a>sfs@thegeek.nu</a> <br>Subj=
ect: Re: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi? <br><div>
<br></div><br><div><br></div><br>Beaglebone Black might be an alternative f=
or you. The graphics resolution isn't as high, in case that is importan=
t to you. There is internal flash memory too, but it might not be as conven=
ient to boot from the microSD chip as it is on the Pi. <br>
<div><br></div><br>----- Original Message -----<br><div><br></div>From: &qu=
ot;Gary A. Romero" <<a>garomero@thegeek.nu</a>> <br>
To: <a>sfs@thegeek.nu</a> <br>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:17:32 AM <b=
r>Subject: Re: [SFS] What do you call a Pi Lab without Pi? <br>
<div><br></div><br>Expensive. <br><div><br></div><br>Seriously though, a Pr=
ototyping Lab? <br><div><br></div><br>---------------------------- <br>Gary=
(Garheade) Romero <br><div><br></div><br>"Documentation is like sex: =
when it is good, it is very, very good; and when it is bad, it is better th=
an nothing." Dick Brandon <br>
<div><br></div><br><div><br></div>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: &q=
uot;David L. Willson" <DLWillson@TheGeek.NU> <br>To: "sfs&q=
uot; <<a>sfs@thegeek.nu</a>> <br>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:59:22 PM <br>Subject: [SFS] What do you ca=
ll a Pi Lab without Pi? <br><div><br></div><br><div><br></div>Thanks to Aar=
on for reminding me why I'm so darn conflicted about the Raspberry Pi, =
and why I keep thinking there's probably a better single-board computer=
for our Pi Lab. <br>
<div><br></div><br><a href=3D"http://arstechnica.com/information-technology=
/2013/10/arduino-creator-explains-why-open-source-matters-in-hardware-too/"=
target=3D"_blank">http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/ar=
duino-creator-explains-why-open-source-matters-in-hardware-too/</a> <br>
<div><br></div><br>-- <br>David L. Willson <br>Teacher, Engineer, Evangelis=
t <br>RHCE+Satellite CCAH Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 UbuntuCP NovellCLA <br>=
Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267) <br><div><br></div><br>This is a good time for a =
r3VOLution. <br>
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